Safetyville, Flint, Michigan, has a special place in the hearts of a lot of Flint area baby boomers. STOP-LOOK-LISTEN. Remember that lesson?
Most remember the miniature Corvettes, T-Birds, and kids' first driver's licenses. Many Flint baby boomers received their first driver's license at Safetyville-Flint.
Safetyville could be found at Kearsley Park. The powered cars were vintage replicas of the Ford T-Bird, and just for good measure, there were a few Corvettes.
I interviewed Len Exline, who is a collector of these miniature cars. Len explains there were just four Safetyville in the USA. Taco Bell used these cars in their commercial and a movie or two.
Many kids in Flint counted the hours down until their visit to Safteyville. Don't miss Safetyville, USA, Part One of this series.
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00:00:05 Arthur A. Busch
OK, we're here.
This is Radio Free Flint.
This is Arthur Bush hosting your podcast episode, and today we have a good one for you.
This is Lee Exline, who is from Jr Central, and he is an expert on cars that used to be driven at Safetyville-Flint
00:00:30 Len Exline
Oh, good evening, Sir.
00:00:32 Arthur A. Busch
Good evening. Thank you for taking a few minutes out of your time.
00:00:35 Arthur A. Busch
We're talking to.
A leave from Iowa just outside of.
00:00:42 Arthur A. Busch
Des Moines, IA.
00:00:44 Arthur A. Busch
And, uh, he has a website and tell us that the Facebook page, so people want if they're interested, they can go visit.
00:00:53 Len Exline
It the Facebook page is Powered Promotional cars.
00:00:57 Len Exline
Jr Central powered post promotional cars. I also have a regular web page, JuniorCentral.com.
00:01:05 Len Exline
Facebook page seems to be the most active.
It takes a lot less work for me to update it, so that's a good source for conversations regarding the vehicles. I deal with a lot more than just the cars used at Safetyville.
00:01:20 Arthur A. Busch
00:01:22 Arthur A. Busch
You handle or specialize in these; you call in promotional cars so.
Most of us here in Flint that are of a certain age have had a lot of experience with those little cars because we went to safety bill located in Kearsley Park and was a.
00:01:46 Arthur A. Busch
Operated by the IMA, which was an adjunct at that very historical organization.
I don't know if you're aware they have left, but they go way back.
I think the 20s since General Motors was founded.
And they are a benevolent association.
So they ran this program for children to teach them Traffic Safety and such.
But tell us a bit about these cars and give us a little about their history.
00:02:16 Len Exline
OK, well-powered promotional cars.
I want to specify powered there because I deal primarily with those powered by motive force, either gasoline or electric powered.
They're often called pedal cars, but they don't have pedals other than the gas pedal and brake pedal.
One of the first ones put out was put out by Power Car Company of Mystic, Connecticut, in 1955. They had just after the war been producing pedal-powered.
00:02:47 Len Exline
Cars that really didn't look like cars. They had one that was kind of style like a car. Still, the true powered promotional cars that are styled after an actual vehicle available through the manufacturer were first out in 1955 with the Thunderbird Junior and the Thunderbird Junior.
00:03:07 Len Exline
Made by the power company in Mystic, Connecticut, they had a fiberglass body with an electric drive.
00:03:12 Len Exline
And come 1957. They also offered them with a gas-powered version.
00:03:18 Len Exline
The company produced cars up to 1967 and changed its models every year to match the full-size cars.
00:03:26 Len Exline
They coordinated with the Ford Motor Company and Chrysler Corporation 'cause they made a Plymouth Fury Junior for 1958. Fifty-nine and 60. But the ones that were.
00:03:38 Len Exline
Used at the Safetyville in Flint was a modified version of the nineteen 55-56 Thunderbird Junior. After the Thunderbirds came out in 57-58 and so forth, they took the old molds used for the Thunderbird, modified the front end a little, and modified the taillights.
00:04:01 Len Exline
And changed them around but used the front and rear of the same bumper as the old Thunderbird juniors used the same frame as those, and those were available.
To dealers or other companies, and if you had the cash, you could buy them too, but they were definitely not cheap toys.
00:04:18 Arthur A. Busch
So they put up what you're saying: they put a Ford car in the middle of General Motors Company town.
00:04:25 Len Exline
Yep, I am changing out the style. Running the rear end of.
00:04:30 Arthur A. Busch
They changed their rear end just so they wouldn't look like a Ford?
00:04:33 Len Exline
Yep, Yep, if you compare.
00:04:35 Arthur A. Busch
00:04:36 Len Exline
You look at the front end, and they squared off the headlights. They changed the taillights, but the full base is a nineteen 55-56 Thunderbird.
00:04:46 Arthur A. Busch
Now those cars that were found at Safetyville have limited speed, obviously.
How did they limit speed?
00:04:56 Len Exline
The electric, the early ones, the electric ones were 6 Volt motors that used a Ford starter motor, and they would run only 5 mph.
00:05:08 Arthur A. Busch
Yeah, and then and then they went to a gas-powered.
00:05:12 Len Exline
Uh, model? Then Yep, the Corvair Monza.
00:05:17 Len Exline
There was a prototype car that was put out that was made by the Rupp company and Rupp had a gas powered version, but the early ones were electric powered.
00:05:27 Len Exline
Do 5 miles an hour and it was all or nothing.
00:05:30 Len Exline
There was a.
00:05:31 Len Exline
And if you're old enough, you'll know trucks they used to have is a button on the floor.
00:05:35 Len Exline
You'd step on it and the.
00:05:36 Len Exline
Starter motor engage.
00:05:38 Len Exline
Well, this had the same thing on the floor of those cars you step on it and engage the starter motor and send.
00:05:43 Len Exline
The car running top speed 5 miles an hour and then when you let off.
00:05:47 Len Exline
Of it, and it went to nothing.
00:05:49 Arthur A. Busch
Right so the ones.
00:05:51 Len Exline
Handle brake on.
00:05:52 Arthur A. Busch
That so you know we most of us that were.
00:05:52 Len Exline
The left side.
00:05:56 Arthur A. Busch
What happened today just so we can fill in the rest of the crowd here, I posted a.
00:06:04 Arthur A. Busch
A page off of Facebook that was released.
00:06:09 Arthur A. Busch
Facebook page and and it got a rise out of the you know kids that I went to high school with and I even sent it to the kids.
00:06:19 Arthur A. Busch
I went to elementary school with.
00:06:23 Arthur A. Busch
And, uh, I didn't realize I'd get 500.
00:06:28 Arthur A. Busch
Messages on my phone.
00:06:29 Arthur A. Busch
Yeah, it kind of went viral so you know we don't remember.
00:06:35 Arthur A. Busch
At least I don't remember if it was electric or gas.
00:06:38 Arthur A. Busch
You probably could tell us that.
00:06:41 Len Exline
Oh yeah, the
00:06:42 Len Exline
I can look at some of the pictures from there and tell you exactly.
00:06:44 Len Exline
Let me pull up my folder on my computer here and look at any one of them and these L tale signs could be the trunk lid.
00:06:54 Len Exline
And if I pop that open and take a look, there are no holes in.
00:06:57 Len Exline
The trunk lid for the gas motor to breathe.
00:07:00 Arthur A. Busch
I see, so they're they're electric.
00:07:03 Len Exline
Those are electric, the early ones, and then of course when.
00:07:05 Len Exline
You got into the.
00:07:06 Len Exline
Yeah, the one that looks more.
00:07:09 Len Exline
Like a Corvette, the Corvair that Corvair is.
00:07:12 Arthur A. Busch
A gas powered unit so so the the.
00:07:18 Arthur A. Busch
The vehicles are produced and at that time they were produced for a demonstration of some kind.
00:07:24 Arthur A. Busch
I I don't understand why they.
00:07:26 Arthur A. Busch
Would produce it at all.
00:07:29 Len Exline
Well, the power the power company produced them for the manufacturers and they would also be used like chip companies Pepsi, Coca Cola.
00:07:37 Len Exline
Let me see number the cereal companies use them from promotions.
00:07:41 Len Exline
They were basically your mousetrap.
00:07:44 Len Exline
Any car dealer will tell you the worst part of selling a car.
00:07:48 Len Exline
Just getting people in the dealership and these work by getting the people in the dealership usually drug in by their kids.
00:07:57 Len Exline
00:07:57 Len Exline
In one well then, after they were done producing the 5556 and they moved on to the 57.
00:08:04 Len Exline
The old bodies body molds for the 5556 Thunderbird were no longer used, so they modified them slightly and produced a generic version. The generic versions were available as pace car.
00:08:17 Len Exline
Police car they had even and matter of fact. If you look at the tail lights of the ones that were used at safety bill, they're little fireman's helmets.
00:08:27 Len Exline
The Fireman's helmets were the lights that went on the IT was a little fire truck basically on the back end of it there was a place where you'd mount one of those sprayers you used for spraying bugs and that was your water source to put out the fire. One kid would drive, another kid would stand on the back and there'd be a little ladder back.
00:08:47 Len Exline
Or you'd hold on.
00:08:48 Len Exline
And those are wood that they even came out with little helmets with.
00:08:53 Len Exline
But the tail lights look like a little fireman's helmet and they use that version. Those tail lights on these pace cars.
00:09:03 Len Exline
Uhm, for these programs.
00:09:07 Arthur A. Busch
So the the the cars themselves.
00:09:10 Arthur A. Busch
Now we also see those you know.
00:09:13 Arthur A. Busch
I used to be a politician so I got to be in a lot.
00:09:15 Arthur A. Busch
Of parades in my life, Albert.
00:09:18 Arthur A. Busch
25 years I've been in.
00:09:20 Arthur A. Busch
God knows how many parades, but the Shriners take these little cars and they do.
00:09:26 Arthur A. Busch
They do like all kinds of maneuvers out there.
00:09:28 Arthur A. Busch
They wonder how they don't get injured doing this, but are those the same?
00:09:32 Arthur A. Busch
The same kind of car that they're using?
00:09:36 Len Exline
They are the ones that were used as safety.
00:09:38 Len Exline
Running a little small so they won't fit adults, but later version made by that same company power car will fit adults.
00:09:45 Arthur A. Busch
What did one of those cars cost?
00:09:49 Len Exline
Oh well, let's see the 1965 Mustang junior. I have committed to my memory. The pedal car was $12.95.
00:09:58 Len Exline
The gas powered promotional car. Then the power of my power company was $537. That'll give you an idea of the cost on them. They were not cheap.
00:10:09 Arthur A. Busch
00:10:10 Len Exline
The original sales bulletins on the company, and I can tell you exactly what.
00:10:14 Len Exline
They paid for those.
00:10:15 Arthur A. Busch
Cars, so let's say you and I were going to go on business and we were.
00:10:19 Arthur A. Busch
Going to start safety.
00:10:20 Arthur A. Busch
Bill all over again.
00:10:21 Arthur A. Busch
What would it cost to get a fleet of those cars?
00:10:26 Arthur A. Busch
Now we wouldn't.
00:10:26 Len Exline
That's gonna be.
00:10:27 Arthur A. Busch
We probably wouldn't use gas, right?
00:10:30 Arthur A. Busch
00:10:32 Len Exline
Nowadays, the the available electric motors are so much better.
00:10:36 Len Exline
It's definitely worth going.
00:10:39 Len Exline
That way you can control them.
00:10:41 Len Exline
You can cut down the speed on them, the old ones like they produce back then there were either feast or famine, full speed or nothing and they only went 5 miles an hour.
00:10:51 Len Exline
00:10:53 Len Exline
You can get a lot better than that.
00:10:55 Len Exline
Matter of fact, two cars were produced for light ladies Pee Wee Herman Herman.
00:11:01 Len Exline
In the one was made for the Pee Wee himself and one was made for the stunt driver. Those were modern electric drivetrains and would do 45 miles an hour with your 6 inches off the ground.
00:11:14 Arthur A. Busch
Yeah, we don't want.
00:11:15 Arthur A. Busch
That for our safety bill, if we're.
00:11:16 Arthur A. Busch
Going to make a bunch of little kids.
00:11:20 Len Exline
But but there's.
Well, it was always.
00:11:22 Len Exline
Not a lot.
00:11:24 Arthur A. Busch
Go ahead, I'm sorry.
00:11:25 Len Exline
There's not a lot of these molds available to enable or reproduce them.
00:11:29 Len Exline
I do have some of the Mustang molds.
00:11:32 Len Exline
The original factory molds and Thunderbird molds, so I've got the 57 Thunderbird mold.
00:11:37 Len Exline
But I don't have the 5556.
00:11:39 Len Exline
So I have.
00:11:39 Speaker 1
I don't know.
00:11:40 Len Exline
00:11:40 Arthur A. Busch
Do you make these on a custom basis?
00:11:43 Arthur A. Busch
00:11:43 Arthur A. Busch
You're using fiberglass, I assume.
00:11:46 Len Exline
There's some using fiberglass.
00:11:46 Speaker 1
00:11:47 Len Exline
I've got a gentleman that makes the fiberglass parts for me.
00:11:51 Len Exline
I make all the little pieces and parts, the windshields, the hubcaps, the steering wheels, and all those other little pieces.
00:11:58 Len Exline
I don't remake them as a whole I, I'm just too busy with what I'm doing.
00:12:05 Len Exline
But I have.
00:12:06 Len Exline
Where people could put one together.
00:12:08 Arthur A. Busch
So you didn't answer my question.
00:12:09 Arthur A. Busch
How much, if we're going to go on business, how much would it cost us to get a fleet of cars for safety bill?
00:12:16 Len Exline
The get a running operating car is going to be about four grand.
00:12:21 Arthur A. Busch
00:12:22 Len Exline
Per car yeah oh nine yeah, they're not.
00:12:26 Len Exline
They're they're highly detailed.
00:12:29 Len Exline
Unlike a lot of other cars.
00:12:31 Len Exline
So it takes along the handling in the fiberglass.
00:12:34 Len Exline
Plus all the other parts and I know what they paid for.
00:12:36 Len Exline
Peewee cars and those are parts.
00:12:39 Len Exline
I provided a company in California.
00:12:41 Len Exline
Put them together.
00:12:42 Arthur A. Busch
So, so you do provide for the for the entertainment industry or the movie industry where they need some help.
00:12:51 Len Exline
I've done that. I've provided a Pizza Hut, their first ever television commercial was 1965, called Putt Putt to Pizza Hut and they used a 65 Mustang junior and Pizza Hut Corporation. Recently purchased enough to build 3 cars one.
00:13:09 Len Exline
For their corporate office and two for executives.
00:13:12 Len Exline
Uh, my grandparents are my biggest customers.
00:13:15 Len Exline
You know they like buying them with the excuse of their for the grandkids.
00:13:18 Len Exline
Well, the grandfather confirmed too.
00:13:22 Len Exline
If you're skinny enough, my.
00:13:23 Arthur A. Busch
We had a kite.
00:13:24 Arthur A. Busch
With a guy in Flint and he bought a bunch of them for his backyard and created a.
00:13:28 Arthur A. Busch
Track back in.
00:13:29 Arthur A. Busch
His backyard and all the kids from near and far, and Flushing.
00:13:32 Arthur A. Busch
00:13:33 Arthur A. Busch
Uh made this track and he had it all set up just like see it was like a safety bill.
00:13:38 Arthur A. Busch
I was amazed.
00:13:41 Len Exline
I have pictures of kids standing in line waiting for a chance to drive in one.
00:13:47 Len Exline
When we got one of those they working cheese in the.
00:13:53 Len Exline
They ran the roost.
00:13:53 Speaker 1
You get it.
Used how did.
00:13:55 Arthur A. Busch
You get interested in this business.
00:13:57 Arthur A. Busch
It's it's a.
00:13:58 Arthur A. Busch
It's an interesting sidelight here.
00:14:01 Len Exline
Well, I'm a DeSoto collector and years ago I had a 1957 DeSoto adventurer convertible.
00:14:08 Len Exline
And I was looking for the junior version of that. They didn't make one in 57, but they made one in 58 called the DeSoto Fire. Might it ran A3 horse Briggs and Stratton Motor and it was seven feet long and they are very rare and it took me 20 years to find one well and trying to find one of those I started.
00:14:28 Len Exline
Researching junior cars in general and I found in Detroit, actually a 1967 Mustang junior gas powered car.
00:14:37 Len Exline
And I decided by it.
00:14:39 Len Exline
And when I bought it, I found out that nobody made restoration parts nobody.
00:14:43 Len Exline
So I taught myself to make the parts that I needed.
00:14:47 Len Exline
I needed a windshield.
00:14:49 Len Exline
I taught myself how to make those.
00:14:50 Len Exline
I needed a steering wheel.
00:14:51 Len Exline
I taught myself how to do molds and make the make the steering wheels, tail light lenses, headlight lenses, hubcaps.
00:14:57 Len Exline
And basically, as I needed parts for my car, other people would say well, can you make one for?
00:15:03 Len Exline
My car and.
00:15:04 Arthur A. Busch
Do you have a a track in your backyard?
00:15:10 Len Exline
Matter of fact I can't.
00:15:11 Len Exline
Even fit in any of these.
00:15:14 Len Exline
6 foot seven and.
00:15:18 Speaker 1
00:15:19 Len Exline
I'm a big.
00:15:20 Len Exline
Yeah 6-7 and over 400 pounds I can fit in.
00:15:23 Arthur A. Busch
00:15:24 Arthur A. Busch
00:15:25 Arthur A. Busch
But how long is grand killed kids at right?
00:15:25 Len Exline
00:15:30 Len Exline
00:15:32 Len Exline
Well have a good time taking him to car shows.
00:15:36 Arthur A. Busch
I bet well.
00:15:37 Arthur A. Busch
Let's switch subject here for just a second.
00:15:40 Arthur A. Busch
Now, the vehicles that you had pictures of, though some of those I assume not.
00:15:45 Arthur A. Busch
Probably not all, but some of them were from safety bill and yeah.
00:15:50 Arthur A. Busch
And at that time safety, the concept of safety bill was not unique, it was.
00:15:55 Arthur A. Busch
Flint wasn't the only place in the nation that.
00:15:58 Arthur A. Busch
Had such a thing.
00:15:59 Len Exline
No, there was a ramp pretty much exactly the same in Illinois and Danville, IL.
00:16:00 Arthur A. Busch
Is that right?
00:16:07 Len Exline
There was another one in Tampa and I think there was another one in Louisiana.
00:16:14 Len Exline
I've got just a little bit of information on a lot of these things.
00:16:19 Len Exline
There's there's not a lot of information.
00:16:20 Len Exline
On junior cars in general, and these safety programs that just seems that they hit, they happen and then there.
00:16:28 Len Exline
Gone the Flint ones been extremely.
00:16:31 Arthur A. Busch
00:16:33 Len Exline
The Flint Flint ones have been very active on Facebook.
00:16:37 Len Exline
A lot of participation from people that were there and remember it, but other locations they didn't last as long.
00:16:43 Arthur A. Busch
Right now on that subject.
00:16:45 Arthur A. Busch
Uh, we you you said in your post there that you were looking for pictures of safety Ville.
00:16:54 Arthur A. Busch
And particularly, you're interested in the cars.
00:16:58 Arthur A. Busch
That's your, that's your interest.
00:17:00 Arthur A. Busch
A lot of people who responded by the way we had.
00:17:03 Arthur A. Busch
You know several 1000 cut at least a couple 1000 people looked at this stuff.
00:17:09 Arthur A. Busch
I'm amazed at what happens in the Internet.
00:17:13 Arthur A. Busch
And as a consequence they a bunch of them said, oh, I got my drivers. They saved their driver's license.
00:17:21 Arthur A. Busch
So I'm trying.
00:17:22 Len Exline
To get some people, I've had some people actually donate their image.
00:17:27 Len Exline
All I basically want is damage and I share this information on my Facebook page and on the website in order to try to educate people.
00:17:35 Len Exline
'cause so often people say oh, it's a pedal car.
00:17:38 Len Exline
No, it's not a pedal car and I.
00:17:41 Len Exline
I'd like to educate people about this part of automotive collecting.
00:17:44 Len Exline
That's kind of been forgot.
00:17:47 Len Exline
It's it's, it's lost and there's not a lot of information out.
00:17:51 Arthur A. Busch
There on them, yeah?
00:17:52 Arthur A. Busch
Well, they don't call this a vehicle city for nothing where we live.
00:17:55 Arthur A. Busch
So the people here who are interested in cars.
00:17:58 Arthur A. Busch
And know a lot.
00:17:59 Arthur A. Busch
About them and we have some of the top experts in the world here that archive.
00:18:04 Arthur A. Busch
This information as well.
00:18:06 Arthur A. Busch
Lee, So what you're really looking for is that maybe somebody in that bunch had taken pictures at a birthday party or whatever, and if they have some just to the cars you'd be interested in looking at.
00:18:18 Len Exline
You bet I know a lot of people.
00:18:20 Len Exline
Grandmothers took him down there to take a ride.
00:18:23 Len Exline
I love to have more pictures to document the history on any junior cars.
00:18:29 Len Exline
Even I've got old videos hosted on that website that are shot from parades for many years ago and.
00:18:38 Len Exline
Anything you got with junior cars share it.
00:18:40 Len Exline
I put it out there.
00:18:41 Len Exline
I don't make any money off of it.
00:18:43 Len Exline
It's all out there to share and get the conversation going between people that are well interested in this subject.
00:18:49 Arthur A. Busch
Right when you became interested in these cars with safety, but Bill still in Operation, No.
00:18:57 Len Exline
Doing these cars for probably 25 years.
00:19:00 Len Exline
In the 60s was gone by.
00:19:02 Arthur A. Busch
Then, and since I since I live in Tampa Bay area, a good part of the year, whereabouts was that?
00:19:09 Arthur A. Busch
Whereabouts was that?
00:19:12 Arthur A. Busch
That village of traffic seat.
00:19:16 Len Exline
Safety village in Tampa.
00:19:18 Len Exline
Let me see if I can come up with.
00:19:20 Len Exline
They use the Scotty special.
00:19:21 Len Exline
Let me see if I can.
00:19:22 Len Exline
Find an address for you.
00:19:25 Arthur A. Busch
We'll exchange that after our shows over here.
00:19:29 Arthur A. Busch
Well, I appreciate your time.
00:19:32 Arthur A. Busch
How safe are those cars?
00:19:34 Arthur A. Busch
'cause you know my little sister rammed me in the back of many times with that safety bill and she wasn't supposed to do that.
00:19:40 Len Exline
You know well they are there.
00:19:43 Len Exline
They got some weight behind them, so if they hit.
00:19:45 Len Exline
They're going to give you a thunk.
00:19:47 Len Exline
As a matter of fact, the De Soto's one of the gentlemen here in Iowa, I tracked down photos of him in this photo fire eight years ago, and I finally got to talk to him, and he sent me pictures of the car, and I asked.
00:20:01 Len Exline
Him, whatever happened to that thing?
00:20:03 Len Exline
While he was gone to school, his dad.
00:20:05 Len Exline
Gave it away at the.
00:20:06 Len Exline
Day after, his sister ran over the neighborhood.
00:20:12 Len Exline
A lot of them suffered that fate.
00:20:14 Len Exline
I've had many people tell me I had to help Dad pick it up and throw it in the dumpster 'cause he got it tired of it being in the way.
00:20:22 Len Exline
Yes, well, that is rare when they're new.
00:20:25 Len Exline
They're even rarer now.
00:20:27 Arthur A. Busch
So do you see a revival of these for purposes of teaching young?
00:20:33 Arthur A. Busch
People how to.
00:20:34 Arthur A. Busch
You know how to drive and you know 'cause.
00:20:38 Arthur A. Busch
One of the ladies today was on one of these websites, talking back about this picture, this series of pictures you.
00:20:45 Arthur A. Busch
Had said stop, look and listen.
00:20:48 Arthur A. Busch
That was what she remembered from the safety bill, and that's a pretty good lesson when you're crossing the road.
00:20:52 Speaker 1
Do you know?
00:20:54 Arthur A. Busch
Do you see any way this might be revived in some form or fashion?
00:20:59 Arthur A. Busch
With all the liabilities?
00:21:01 Len Exline
And you, with a legal background, would understand there's so much with people wanting to sue that I find it very difficult to see a community doing that, and it would be a rather large investment as it was when it first came out.
00:21:15 Len Exline
Our car first started pushing the idea of these safety bill-type periods in 1958.
00:21:22 Arthur A. Busch
So so basically, the idea that people the people of Genesee County, Greater Flint area or Detroit want, you know, even with all their rich history.
00:21:34 Arthur A. Busch
They probably wouldn't be able to do that again unless the mods or somebody who the foundation, maybe Ford Foundation, or somebody bestowed a lot of money to do it.
It would take.
00:21:45 Arthur A. Busch
00:21:46 Len Exline
It sounds practical.
00:21:49 Len Exline
It takes a significant amount of money.
00:21:51 Len Exline
The land to do it.
00:21:52 Len Exline
The people demand it.
00:21:54 Len Exline
They had a heck of a program there in Flint where they had the police working with kids, and it did a heck of a good thing for the community in teaching the kids safety.
00:22:06 Len Exline
Road safety and the people I've seen discussing the topic from Flint said that that's where they learned.
00:22:14 Len Exline
How to drive?
00:22:15 Arthur A. Busch
Yes, well, we learn the rules to stop anyway.
00:22:20 Arthur A. Busch
Having been the prosecutor, not stopping is usually one of the causes.
00:22:23 Arthur A. Busch
The biggest causes of fatalities on that speed, but anyway.
00:22:29 Arthur A. Busch
I'm running out of questions, so I wanted to you have tried all over the country to make connections with places that have had these little safety villages.
00:22:40 Arthur A. Busch
I'm just using that term, and you said Flint was the most active in terms of its love and affection for safety.
00:22:49 Len Exline
Bill, the time frame that it operated, it looked like it operated for a long time, and how interactive the community was with it.
00:22:57 Len Exline
They seemed to be the biggest I found so far.
00:23:01 Len Exline
The closest was Danville, IL. Danville, IL, also did the program and also had the police officers involved.
00:23:08 Len Exline
And they used the mini Mustangs, but they didn't do it for as many years as Flint.
00:23:14 Arthur A. Busch
Oh yeah, well, we thank you a million I promised I wouldn't keep you up.
00:23:18 Arthur A. Busch
All night, I know.
00:23:20 Arthur A. Busch
Uh, it's getting late, and I wish you the best.
00:23:24 Arthur A. Busch
I appreciate your time.
00:23:26 Arthur A. Busch
I can't emphasize that enough, and I hope as you keep going, we can get you connected to some people here in Flint, archivists, and so forth, because I'm pretty sure that.
00:23:39 Arthur A. Busch
Someplace out there, they have.
00:23:41 Arthur A. Busch
Have the photographs.
00:23:44 Arthur A. Busch
We'll put you in touch.
00:23:46 Arthur A. Busch
With some of those individuals.
00:23:50 Len Exline
Love to find information and share it.
00:23:52 Len Exline
Sharing is something that people can learn and remember.
00:23:55 Arthur A. Busch
Yes, we have a Sloan Museum.
00:23:57 Arthur A. Busch
As I was mentioning to you earlier, which is an automotive and History Museum in our city, and I know they have some stuff there, and then we have Kettering, which has.
00:24:06 Arthur A. Busch
An automobile archive.
00:24:09 Arthur A. Busch
Which is, I think, one of the largest in the world of its kind.
00:24:13 Arthur A. Busch
So, in any event, thank you, Lee.
00:24:15 Arthur A. Busch
And now that.
00:24:17 Arthur A. Busch
We're all still locked up.
00:24:21 Arthur A. Busch
It just it just.
00:24:22 Arthur A. Busch
For a little while longer, we.
00:24:24 Arthur A. Busch
Can just be patient and stay home and then, and then we'll be out there ready to rock when the sun comes out, and it's a little warmer.
00:24:35 Len Exline
Right sounds good.
00:24:36 Len Exline
Sounds good, thank you, Sir.
00:24:38 Len Exline
Have a good evening.
00:24:38 Arthur A. Busch
And have a good night.
00:24:40 Arthur A. Busch
This is Radio Free Flint Arthur Busch, and we are signing off.
00:24:43 Arthur A. Busch
00:00:30 Len Exline
Oh, good evening, Sir.
Over and out, take care bye-bye.